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JC Anderson Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.06.30 08:19:00 - [1] I'm just going to assume the op was flying a shuttle.
JC Anderson Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.06.30 14:32:00 - [2] Originally by: Aldarica Edited by: Aldarica on 30/06/2010 12:52:02 Is this the one? http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=4896441 edit: ah, probably not, sorry... there's some Maller killed and TaliZ88 is involved but that's not the situation as OP described. Did the Maller do it in 4 seconds flat as well? And was the OP unlucky enough to come upon a MAGICAL Maller using 10 t2 Ogres like that of the magical T3?
JC Anderson Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.01 02:04:00 - [3] Insulation keeps me warm in the winter. And a good majority of the people included myself wouldn't have responded in this way if it wasn't for that combat log. Your talking about things being fixed yet you posted evidence of your argument that couldn't possibly be real.
JC Anderson Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.01 05:36:00 - [4] Edited by: JC Anderson on 01/07/2010 05:38:19 Originally by: DeMichael Crimson I started reading this thread, got into the 2nd page and noticed that it was a total gang bang by a bunch of self centered self righteous (****CENSORED**) Trolls that need to (**CENSORED****) and die Did you read further than the second page in order to view the fake/edited combat log that the OP posted as "proof" of his argument? I wouldn't even have bothered posting in this thread had I not read that first. !ON ANOTHER NOTE! Another thing to keep in mind is that there is more risk in flying a t3 than that of other ships. Regardless of having an up to date clone, you _still_ lose SP off your sub system skills if your sitting in the ship when it blows up. The only way to prevent it is to eject just before the explosion. Granted the SS skills are rank 1, but it's still a pain for somebody like myself who has trained all the subs to 5. Hey does anybody know what would happen if a T3 blows up while your sitting in it & you don't have your clone up to date? Would you lose sp off one of the SS skills as well as sp from another skill?
JC Anderson Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.01 06:00:00 - [5] Edited by: JC Anderson on 01/07/2010 06:01:27 Doh! I didn't consider the fact that the SS sp loss isn't when you are podded but when the ship blows.... Even though I had JUST said it in the very same post. ;) And TY for reply.
JC Anderson Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.01 06:25:00 - [6] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 if this is going to be your flag of argumentative failure to rally behind as why it should be so powerful, then why not reduce the power of the ships and reduce the cost I don't recall ever saying that the SP loss was a major, let alone only argument to rally behind in this debate. It was added as another note as yet an "additional" downside to strategic cruisers. Even without that factor they still aren't as all-powerful as you are making them out to be. It is but one downside to add to the countless slew of other arguments expressed by those in this thread. And you still haven't sufficiently explained the combat log that you posted in the first place. If t3's are as much of a potent and over-powered ship class as you make them out to be, then why pad a combat log with fake data?
JC Anderson Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.01 07:16:00 - [7] Edited by: JC Anderson on 01/07/2010 07:16:33 Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 01/07/2010 07:13:21 Originally by: 1Ekrid1 would you even listen to yourself. you know there's worlds of difference between someone with all skills level 3 and someone with all skills level 5. the person with level 5 wins. but even then its only just. maybe the right mod combo from the person all level 3 could beat this other one. yet with T2, the person with level 5 wins in half the time, and can only be hard countered or lost to, soft counters wont work like between an all level 3 and all level 5 with the same Tech of ship. T3 is even worse, because its TRIPLE the advantage for the other guy, meaning that a hard counter MIGHT win you a fight against them half the time. Would you listen to YOURSELF ? Triple of a really small advantage is still a small advantage. And yes, you're SUPPOSED TO mostly lose on a 1-vs-1 even with equal skills (both in-game and out-of-game) when you're fighting T1 vs equivalent T2, let alone T3. Even assuming your combat log wasn't a complete fabrication, which it almost certainly was (5 Ogre IIs from a Legion fit with Autocannon IIs and timestamps jumping all over the place), you were allegedly flying a junk T1 fit junk T1 cruiser with a low-skills pilot and a clueless controller against a T2-fit T3 ship flown by a veteran, competent pilot. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN AN OUTRAGE IF YOU WOULDN'T HAVE DIED BOTH HOPELESSLY AND RELATIVELY FAST. Yes, T3 are more versatile, and through that versatility, when picking the combo that best enhances your desired traits, it obviously becomes better than most T2 ships you could have used for that particular purpose. At the same time, randomly picking T3 subsystems is quite likely to result in a death to a properly fit T1 cruiser. Think any SPECIFIC T3 subsystem is overpowered ? Suggest a toning down for it, and just for it. Slightly more powerful than T2 overall ? Sure. There wouldn't be much point in having them at all if ALL possible combinations would result in similar or inferior performance. There is no person here except you and your sockpuppets (or other assorted moron specimens) that thinks T3 ships as a whole are GAME-BREAKINGLY overpowered. T3 ships, even the best possible setups with insanely expensive fits will die to a SMALL handful of T1 ships with T2 fits flown by COMPETENT pilots, regardless of how decked out the T3 ship is. And whoever says otherwise is an even bigger idiot than you. Hell I wish it was over-powered! Then I wouldn't have to worry about ship fittings and ships anymore as I would fly the T3 exclusively. Sadly, this isn't the case and likewise I tend not to spend any more time in my Tengu than I do in my other ships.
JC Anderson Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.01 08:15:00 - [8] Originally by: Mari Seles We seriously need to get this guy something, he's total comedic gold. We could all chip in and buy him a strategic cruiser.
JC Anderson Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.02 00:35:00 - [9] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 01/07/2010 23:04:19 OMG! I just lost my Caracal to a Hulk in just 2 volleys and 3.5 seconds. Hulk needs a nurf. Here's proof: [2010.07.3 03:40:48] (combat) Templar belonging to MrSnuffles heavily hits you, inflicting 120.2 damage. [2010.08.22 03:40:48] (combat) Mining Laser II belonging to MrSnuffles is heavily thrown at you, inflicting 72.6 damage. [2010.08.22 03:40:48] (combat) Another Mining Laser II belonging to MrSnuffles is heavily thrown at you, inflicting 59.1 damage. [ 2010.07.3 01:06:32 ] (combat) Veldspar belonging to MrSnuffles barely scratches you, inflicting 17.4 damage. [Stardate 47988.2 ] (combat) Expanded Cargohold II belonging to MrSnuffles is well aimed at you, inflicting 22.4 damage. We need to start a petition to nerf those expanded cargo holds else we are all doomed!

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